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Support Our customer experience team is here around the clock - real people ready to assist. Join Now Sign In. Popular Forums Special Interest Groups Deals General Discussion FatWallet News. Maximizing Employee Stock Options Through Distributed Hedge Allocations Archived From: Many large companies offer employee stock options to their employees at below market value. Some even offer matching programs. It is typically a bad idea to own too much stock in your own company because if your company goes bankrupt, you lose your investments and your job. Imagine someone working at Lehman who had half their investments in Lehman stock. One obvious solution to this, would be to maximize your stock options and hedge your position on the stock by placing covered calls. Thus if the stock goes down, the option options up and you break even. If the stock goes up, the option goes down and you break even. There are fees and commissions on placing the call option, however these should be offset by whatever discount you are able to purchase the stock at. If the employee stock discount is large enough, you should be able to make a nice profit in the process with zero how. The problem with this hedge method is that most companies frown upon it and you will lose how job if caught. It is typically written expressly in writing. The SEC will also dislike this. My plan is to create a network of people that will hedge eachother's stock options. A large network will reduce counterparty risk. I will describe the situation with 2 parties. Neither party is violating the rules of their contract. If AAA goes up, John is willing to compensate Mike for the loss against his options, using the gain on AAA. If AAA goes down, Mike is willing to compensate John for his loss on AAA with the gain of his options. Vice Versa with BBB. Neither party is hedging hedge their own company. The SEC or anyone else would easily be able to see through this charade though. Now lets make it more complex with 26 members of companies Employee through ZZZ. The benefit of distributing the network is that not only does it reduce chances of discovery or investigation, but it also reduces counter employee risk. If its just Mike and John and one party decides not to compensate the other, then the entire sum is lost. I do not believe this violates any SEC laws. No insider trading tips are exchanged or involved. The reason why avoiding an SEC investigation is beneficial is to reduce time waste and to reduce the risk of your employer finding out about the arrangement. This is not done to violate any laws or contractual obligations to your employer. It should only be done is permissible by your contract with your employer and only done to legally stock this hedging from senior management who may use it to deny promotions in your career. Since this system should be theoretically legal, it may be possible to form a legal entity such as an LLC for the purposes of reducing counter-party risk through the use of escrow accounts. Quick Summary is created and edited by users like you Add FAQ's, Links and other Relevant Information by clicking the edit button in the lower right hand corner of this message. Click to copy code and go to. Thanks for visiting FatWallet. Join for free to remove this ad. I assume you mean puts. Can you really trust strangers in an arrangement of this sort? If there's a formal agreement in place to circumvent company policy, the person with 25K options may easily get fired. If the group uses an LLC to hide the arrangement, It is still possible to figure out who is behind the LLC structure. I am not an expert so I may well be wrong about stock legal details but my gut tells me "do not try this at home". I can barely understand what you are writing about. Buy a call option Sell a call option covered call if you hold the underlying Buy a put option Sell a put option covered put if you are short the underlying you will lose out on the time value of the option at expiration So who is AAA? Some even offer matching programs One obvious solution to [these risky but attractive investments], would be to maximize your stock options and hedge your position on the stock by placing covered calls. You don't mean covered calls. Typically this means you'll be naked short the call unless you also owned the company stock it would be covered if you also held the stock. There's low risk and then there's zero risk, and this isn't zero. Incentive stock options are often for a couple years and don't vest for a similar time period. This means you won't be able to accurately hedge the risk due to many possible issues: Actually most companies don't say anything about it, and unless you're a very high ranking management employee you aren't an "insider" from the SEC's perspective. The vast majority of employees out there at public companies can trade their company's stock or options all they want. Sure employee probably not a wise idea to mention how you're making a fortune shorting the company stock but that's just common sense. I stopped reading here and invite everyone else to do likewise. Its an interesting discussion, not sure why you are getting so much red other than getting the option types reversed. As for the logistics of actually pulling this off, it would be a lot of work and risky. I think TripleB messed up the difference between Options that can be granted ISO and NSO and ESPP discounted stock purchase plan. I looked into this when I had a bunch of ESOPs I had not been vested yet. I'm sure it's still illegal, but the biggest problem is finding someone hedge can trust who's willing and his account is able to write naked calls. I worked for lehman. I wish I could have hedged my stock. It went down to almost zero. Unfortunately, these companies and options SEC make laws that are supposed to circumvent fraudulent activity ie people selling short on their co, etc but many times they hurt people who have legitimate hedge interests. Just my two cents the current value of my lehman stock. By providing links to other sites, FatWallet. Members of our community may attach files to a post in accordance with the User Agreement. FatWallet is not responsible for the content, accuracy, completeness or validity of any information contained in any attached file. Be especially wary of How files which may contain malicious content. Please select a reason for your RED vote: Disagree with OP Wrong Forum Repost Send. Thanks for the Feedback! 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Employee Stock Option Hedging Strategies 2011, Part 2 of 2
Employee Stock Option Hedging Strategies 2011, Part 2 of 2
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